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humanitarian policy and the israel-hamas war. secretary of state blinken -- to get aid in and civilians out. making clear israel must defend itself at the same time. also tonight, a major 14th amendment case against trump picks up steam and colorado. an effort on keeping trump off the ballot. and abortion rights were on the bill in ohio voters do tuesday. it will tell us a lot about where the 2024 election is heading. this is american voices. we begin this hour with the global push to address the humanitarian crisis and gaza. it is really steps up its ground offensive against hamas. president biden tonight gave a thumbs up, and answer yes, when asked if the u.s. has made any progress the current humanitarian pause to get aid into the gaza strip. that proposed policy dominate discussions between secretary of state antony blinken and leaders from several arab

nations during a meeting in jordan today. arab leaders want and immediate cease-fire in gaza to prevent the death of civilians. however, secretary blinken warns a cease-fire will only help hamas, who the u.s. designates as a terror organization. >> i tell you that a cease-fire now would simply leave hamas in place, able to regroup and repeat what it did on october 7th. and you don't have to take my word for it. just days ago, a senior hamas leader said it was their intent to do october 7th again, and again, and again. no nation, none of us, can accept that. >> meantime, in washington, d.c. thousands of pro palestinian protesters also demanded an immediate cease fire. the protesters also urged leaders and d.c. to stop funding israel's military, it calls for a path to create a

free society for palestinians. tonight in tel aviv, thousands of protesters holding israeli flags and pictures of protesters -- hostages, demanded the release of more than 200 hostages kidnapped by hamas on october 7th. that tara tech live 1400 people in israel did. it and gaza, the death toll continues to grow. moments ago, another israeli airstrike hit gaza. you can see the blast strike in gaza over the skyline, seen here from southern israel. the hamas run health -- ministry says over -- 1 million and a half people have been displaced in gaza. joining me now from tel aviv, nbc news correspondent hala gorani and nbc news foreign correspondent matt bradley in lebanon. hala, i'll start with you. how was secretary blinken's trip to the middle east be received tonight both from the middle east and arab leaders inside israel? >> there is a big disconnect, essentially, between what secretary blinken is calling for, what arab leaders want,

and what benjamin netanyahu is prepared to concede. benjamin netanyahu has been very clear. there will be no cease-fire, there will be no humanitarian pause. secretary blinken wants a humanitarian polish to allow for humanitarian aid to get through for some water medicine obviously fuel still off the table in order to ease the suffering of the palestinian people. as far as arab leaders in this region the humanitarian pause typically announced to know more offense pressing the pause button, maybe perhaps easing the suffering of the palestinian people to continue this massive bombardment campaign that they say amounts to collective punishment. and in the words of even the foreign minister who was meeting with secretary blinken today early on in this bombing campaign he called what was happening and gaza genocide. so there is a huge disconnect. secretary blinken was not able to secure a humanitarian pause

or any promise of anything that resembles a humanitarian pause from the israeli prime minister. and is now on his way to turkey, which has had a very public falling out with israel and recalled its ambassador. so diplomatically there seems to be a lot of work for secretary blinken to do but so far not much achieved, alicia. >> a lot of work indeed. matt you talked to a spokesperson for hamas. what do they make of all this talk of a cease-fire? >> this particular hamas official, who's one of the members of the political bureau of hamas and the gaza strip he's here in beirut. i spoke with him a week after he made comments on lebanese television where he said there wouldn't just be the one october 7th attack that shocked the world. but there will be a second and a third and a fourth. this was in arabic to a middle eastern audience. so i asked him how that kind of talk of continuous attacks against the israelis was in anyway consisted what they are calling for israel to stop

their attacks on the gaza strip. here is your conversation. >> how can you ask for a cease-fire, how can i ask for israel to stop their aggression, when you go on television and lebanon, here, last week, and set you will continue the aggression. you will continue -- >> what does it do to stop? >> if you're asking for a cease-fire, if you're asking -- >> we will -- this is our legal right to fight against occupation. it's according to international law and all the other nations and the world -- >> so, to me, he was saying that essentially, yes, he wants israel to stop their aggression on the gaza strip. but he doesn't say that as an obligation, something that needs to happen both ways. he doesn't feel that is no hamas needs to stop their attacks against israel and return. on the same level, we're talking about comments he made last week.

again, in arabic, to a middle eastern audience. it's gonna be different from what he's gonna be saying and english to a western or american audience, two channels like us. >> as we were coming on the air, we received new video. i'm not sure if you are able to see new explosions over the gaza strip tonight. what are you watching, hala, next as israel moves deeper into gaza. >> they moved deeper into gaza to the point they're encircling council city. so there are deep into the territory. the big question is, will they enter the city itself, because then we're talking about house to house, door to door fighting. that is still something that is, perhaps being determined. the calculations are being made. but it has to be said, that the amount of civilians suffering and the gaza strip has reached proportions that are having an impact outside of the realm of military calculations, and into the diplomatic. what we heard secretary blinken say today reiterating once

again, that what israel does has to take into account civilian suffering in gaza. it's really kind of a softening of the tone, coming from the united states, but cause some of the images we're seeing coming out of the gaza strip right now, you have seen also them estimates durations in western capitals. you have seen the complete breakdown of the relationship between the u.n. secretary general and the israeli ambassador to that united nations. there is really, right now, a lot of pressure to do something about what is happening directly to the civilians and gaza. and the u.s. is pushing, whether or not the israeli prime minister is going to listen, and heat the call for humanitarian pause, that right now is very much an open question, alicia. >> and pcs hala gorani for us israel and matt bradley in lebanon, thank you both for getting us. the hospitals and gaza are running out of fuel. hamas is holding fuel as it

continues attacks against hamas forces. that fuel is not only is for a textbook to generate infrastructure during -- inside gaza. anna schecter joins me now. i was struck when our colleague said feel is off the table. talk to us about the role those demands are playing, both in terms of getting aid in and getting hot this out. >> it's a terrific question, alicia. because fuel is central to the complex negotiations going on right now. you have more than 200 hostages who are in this subterranean world of tunnels, under ground and it doesn't seem that israel or the u.s. knows exactly where they are. and yet hamas is saying well we'll release them if we get fuel. so hamas needs a tremendous amount of fuel to continue to operate underground. the fuel goes to generators, to clean the air in the tunnels,

and to provide electricity and the tunnels. so that's how hamas has been able to orchestrate and create this subterranean world that is incredibly difficult for the idf to fight. so the reason that hamas continues to push for a fuel, they are using the hostages as bargaining chips, and just as a complex internationally gauthier shunned. so the qataris are heavily involved. the u.s. is involved. and hamas is demanding fuel and the israelis are saying we cannot allow any fuel to go to hamas because they will continue to fund their war machine. continue to use the fuel to keep going in those tunnels. the fuel, by the way is also used to manufacture the weapons that hamas is using to fire rockets into israeli territory. >> you mentioned the hostages, and i want to ask you about that. your report, quote, documents found on the bodies of hamas militants suggested

broadcasting atrocities online was a planned part of the attack which killed more than 1000 civilians, including children and ba facebook bans hamas and yet these videos have shown up on what will platrm what does it tell us about this moment and the challenges of social media companies not allow videos like this to exist online? >> this moment is so unique and so unprecedented, where you have hamas fighters infiltrating a village, filled with civilians, taking control of these people. forcing individuals to open their a facebook apps so they can use it to livestream abductions, livestreamed killings or even open up a facebook app, take video of killing a grandmother, who is bleeding out, and post it to her facebook page so that her family opens her facebook page and sees it. this kind of brutality is so

unexpected, and yet for facebook their position is, there is no way we could have anticipated. it what we're seeing is the result of creating a platform where anyone can click a button and live broadcast anything. what's unique about this is that the terrorists who attacked actually took the victims phones, forced them at gunpoint to open those applications, and broadcast out to their families and friends. >> i've only got 30 seconds left, but i want to ask if you spoke with those families. and what are they said? >> the trauma they experienced, opening their loved ones facebook feeds, and watching these horrific videos of their family members dying or cowering in terror as european abducted, the actual act, the horrific acts that were carried out, that is beyond imagination. but when you're watching a video on your phone, it's so

traumatic to watch that. that's what these families are telling me. that they just wish they had not had to witness it, in the way that i did. >> and be sees anna schecter, thank you so much. still to come, for many jewish americans, israel's war with hamas is dredging up traumatic memories. we're going to hear from a 97 year old holocaust survivor. and later, with your party in shambles and days from a government shutdown, house broom publicans put a dangerous game with aid for ukraine. but first, richard louis. >> -- a 5.6 magnitude earthquake hit friday at been there. authorities say at this 120 people are dead, dozens more injured, the death toll is expected to rise as communications channels are reestablished. reckoning is also, the ongoing a sack after extract. psych after a confirmed it was a twisted is colder, quote, last best and final offer.

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democrats say would put at a dent in the defense budget at a time we can afford. it and the package of aid for israel and ukraine. both democrats and republicans have expressed because promotion about the speaker's refusal to sign off on it it's a critical moment. johnson has lent aid for israel with irs tax cuts and a bill that passed the house last week, that stands so chance in the senate. to make matters worse, he's pushing for ukraine aid to potatoes for border security in the u.s.. the majority for the parent. how does any of things things get done until conditions? joining us now, msnbc political contributor and white house reporter eugene daniels, he co-authors playbook. also with us, msnbc political analyst, former republican congressman, david jolly. david jolly, what is mike johnson doing here? >> alicia, the legislative math is not there for johnson. we can fast forward to the

government shutdown or a lost by mount jansen, that will look a lot like kevin mccarthy's passes. what we don't know is, have not johnson handle that moment. when you look kevin mccarthy ultimately would do, is strike a deal with democrats to vote for something in a democratic senate and democratic president would sign. we don't know what mike johnson would do. i would just even his move on israel, more than opening salvo, april be kevin mccarthy would have considered as well. to tie aid to something. some republican priority. the absolutely here is he actually it something that's indefensible. so that is not something that will ever be considered by the senate or signed by the president. what happens in two weeks, we just don't know mike johnson's leadership style at this point. >> eugene, i take david jolly's point about the ability to phosphoric to pour this is all go when, to either a government shutdown or a speaker removal two point oh, i think is where

we are at this point. at some point it would come hard to keep track. i just wonder if your sense is any different about what it is he's trying to do here? >> i think part of it is michael johnson wants to make clear to the far-right of his party that he's willing to fight. that he's gonna get his arm twisted into doing what we kind of already know is probably gonna happen. what the congressman is saying -- i think something that folks really keep in mind is this is going, this is the house republican conference. it's kind of an island on its own when it comes to legislating at this point. has democrats, senate democrats, senate republicans and the white house promo same page when it comes to these funding bills. a deal was struck months ago by the former speaker of the house to get this done. and i think, what i'm hearing from a lot of especially those frontline republicans in the house is that they're just sick of the drama. they don't want to have a

majority that doesn't know what it's to. they don't want to be the party that looks back and say, we should have looked more like adults in the room. the fundamentals have not changed in the house republican conference over the past weeks. you still have a sizeable portion of that conference that doesn't want to get anything done and frankly will use any opportunity to say that it's basically better for them because approves their own point about politics and government. >> david, what eugene just said, republicans are saying. they're not the only ones saying. that minority leader hakeem jeffries said, all of the shenanigans in the house is part of republicans go to shotgun the government. you come back to this question though of what it is that again, not, you know the eight or however many who might actually believe that, as eugene said, if it's them, not republicans not the united states of america, not their constituents,

but then the eight of them and their brand -- how do you mitigate that if you're out the rest of the republicans who might actually want to over this? >> yeah, alicia. you are thinking for directionally. let me introduce you to her publicans. think there are fine with the chaos. there are fine to shut down the government. they don't think there's political consequence or actually any policy consequence to that, as well. that's just a tool they believe they have. and even on some of these, what we would consider, hard right issues, beyond issues on reproductive rights, be it because on putting freedom from vladimir putin, be at the border. whatever it might be those issues are all actually fun for republicans and moderate districts. at least that they are. understand, mike johnson was elevated on the engine of everybody. not just but a few republicans, but by everybody. they're actually okay with that agenda. what i am really watching floor, i think it's two dynamics. mike johnson's not sure -- kevin mccarthy was at the end

of his runway entering this c. our mike johnson's is at the beginning. he's got room to lose a few battles and still be okay with republicans. to me, it comes down to ukraine. the republican conference can get their act together providing aid to ukraine. but we know mike johnson -- the house would likely deliver. that how does he do that? and what does that look like if you end up with more democratic votes that republican votes and e house? mike johnson ends up ryder cup mccarthy's, he's just a little bit further back on the runway. >> we'll start on that point. eugene, also noting individually without testing my aviation understanding of what a runway is and isn't and where you take off from. those aid packages, right? i wonder if you see. the stakes are so high. the stakes are always high. the stakes have been hotly in her time. but it does feel as though we are once again at a moment for the stakes are high in terms of global order watching what we're doing. and asking, is america going to

be able to get its own act together and get this done? >> absolutely. i was just in london with the vice president, and she was at an a i conference at the uk, meeting with different leaders. and when you talk to members of the administration folks on the trip, walked out tell you is that there's something here often from the other side. what is going on. are you actually going to be able to do what you promised before you came into the white house, putting the hands on the wheel and making sure we've got the world over a feel stable, continuing to give money, aid to ukraine. figuring out how to help is really in its form with hamas. palestinian humanitarian aid, how do you do that? the president has heard them indifferent calls and it is as well. so you are seeing a world that is nervous about the, really, the house republican conference and how it operates. and more importantly how it doesn't operate.

not allowing folks that typically can depend on the united states word no matter who is in charge, to do what they'll say we're going to do. that's a place we haven't been in. and it's continuing to get more -- continuing to get more nervous and our countries. leaders, not just age and folks like that, but actual prime minister and presidents and kings of other countries, worried about the house republican conference. >> eugene, i wonder -- i love how casually you mentioned you were in london was the vice president. thank you for being with us. david, charlotte glenover. next the gop leader facing what could be a legitimate 14th amendment challenge and colorado. michele goodwin helps us make sense of the legal arguments and she'll tell us what's next on the line, next week in ohio. abortion rights were on the public tuesday. a true test of the public's patients with the gop's extreme agenda. extrem agenda unlike some others, it supports 7 brain health indicators,

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case seeking to keep trump off the 2024 ballot can continue. trump's team tried didn't sue tossed out, wednesday, a judge said no. lawsuits in both colorado and minnesota state to disqualify trump to his role in the generous six attacks. arguments of former president violated section three of the 14th amendment. that says officials have taken an oath to uphold the constitution should be disqualified from public office if they quote have engaged in an insurrection or rebellion against the same or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. close to 20 other states have similar lawsuits in the works. take a look at that map there. in case you don't know trump attorneys to his actions on and around january 6th are protected for the first amendment. with me now, michele goodwin only a professor of constitutional law and global health policy and confident director of the o'neil institute at georgetown university. david jolly is back with me. michelle, a colorado federal 14th mehmet case and that state

can move forward. i wonder what it says to you about where this is headed and just how strong those cases? >> it's a strong case, and i'm sure that trump and his team of lawyers will continue to fight it. but important to understand the history of that particular amendment and, as well to understand what the clause is there. it was because of a potential of insurrection and the effort to try to overthrow the government after the civil war and the fact there was such violence -- and members of congress during the time of the civil war leading up to the civil war. and january 6th what we saw is a president that both incited individuals and also failed to do what was appropriate in order to save members of congress from the attacks that we will take place. >> michele i want to play some sound for you. it's from a 14th expended a moment that spoke during the

third day of the colorado hearings. take a listen. >> what, if anything, does the historical record tell us about whether a section three was limited to the advance of the civil war or not? >> it was not limited to the events of the civil war. and we know that because first that language was general, after forge insurrection or rebellion and secondly there were some of those and the debate that made. pointedly clear they thought it also should apply to any future insurrections that might occur. >> pulling out that threat from what you yourself said at the start of the interview the state been contrast trump's attorneys who claimed section three doesn't apply to presidents? >> well in fact the reason why section three it was in the constitution itself was to make sure that we could guard against what could potentially be future attacks against members of congress efforts to undermine the work or building a strong union. that was why it was there in

the first place. it wasn't fair just addressed was a past wrong and leave it there. in fact, it was quite forward-looking. and let me just give you one example. many students will understand that there was a battle that took place in congress and that there was a member of the senate that was beaten up shortly before the civil war. he was an abolitionist, a senator from the state of massachusetts. he was beaten nearly to death by those who owned slaves. so this was personal for a number of members of congress and abolitionist who understood the potential violence that could come in the future for those dissatisfied with the of slavery and those dissatisfied with bringing the union together and a defeat of the confederacy. they understood personally. >> david, when we talk about what is shaping this gop presidential primary, there are so many things to choose from. you could talk about the civil case. you could talk about the federal case, doj's case. you could talk about what

happened on week january 6th, absent was actual, legal challenges. i wonder, these 14th amendment challenges these two specific legal cases your sense of the way in which they are or aren't shaping the gop primary field. and by that i mean maybe they're not friends of mine. there are not the thing nikki haley is talking about every time she has a stump speech. but i have to imagine their donors their money people are saying we have to have a plan b. so if any of these things on the horizon percolate we have a candidate who's worked to go. that's my sense of the way something like this plays a politically. >> that's exactly right, alicia. i think this is a notable and noble effort using the 14th amendment to disqualify the former president. i remain that legal skeptic, because of investing -- in the matter for which the president has not been charged criminally. and i think all that will get tested in the court. but how is this play out in the

republican primary? and in a general election? you're exactly right and a primary. you have nikki haley, ron desantis, and others, behind closed doors, making the case, what happens if the president ends up disqualified? for what happens if it loses his freedom in the d.c. federal matter, in georgia, or the mar-a-lago case? do we really want to be the party that has to wrestle with that in front of the american people? and can a former president win reelection? -- for the country, what this 14th amendment case invite us to think about and talk about, as well as jack smith's case, mar-a-lago in georgia, is we likely are the odds are getting stronger and stronger, we will end up in an environment where donald trump has lost his freedom, after receiving a criminal conviction summer. or being disqualified because of the 14th amendment case and colorado. what does that mean for the national conversation? how does donald trump try to ignite his cultural movement to seek retribution and revenge and vengeance? that's a moment we could be heading into. and it could be a very unsafe

moment for the nation, if we don't rise to the occasion to handle properly. >> michele a minnesota supreme court justice pose this question this week. saying, if the court justices agree they have the ability to power trump, quote, should we, is the question, th concerns me most. i wonder what you think. we >> it ties to the concern about the way in which the trump rallies, the january 6th insurrections the violence that comes up at the rallies the violence we see on social media but those who would say they need to see trump in office that the 2020 election was really one by him. i think a considerable. for i think is fair we could just as a result of the video clip we saw capturing what happened on january 6th, if this were any other place, any other country, you would have american members of congress saying we need to send in teams

to help the democracy be historic. and -- it was the first time the confederate flag made its way to the united states capital. and it's something we shouldn't take lightly. and colorado was not the only state, as you mentioned with minnesota as well, where their rvs 14th amendment challenges that may mean donald trump is not on the ballot. >> so much to unpack. david jolly as always thank you so much for being with us. michele you are staying with me next. the big test ahead tuesday. a high of voters, they could soon show us how they and other swing states feel that the gop's extreme attacks on reproductive rights. plus the emotional toll fills at home but the israel-hamas war, forcing hundreds to face their survival of the holocaust. f th holocaust. being me. keep being you... and ask your healthcare provider about the number one prescribed h-i-v treatment, biktarvy. biktarvy is a complete, one-pill, once-a-day treatment

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this tuesday in ohio. voters will decide whether to enshrine access to the procedure into their state constitution. it's a preview of what can be expected nationwide in 2024. voters are already prices abortion rights in six states that have had similar in a ships and the months following the dobbs decision. abortion is currently legal in ohio, up until 21 weeks of pregnancy. but a restrictive ban, currently tied up in court threatens. that if the state supreme court ruled in favor of that ban,

pregnant people and ohio will no longer be able to receive abortion after a fetal heartbeat is detected. michele goodwin is back with us. she's the author of policing the womb invisible woman and the criminalization of motherhood. let me say, when we went through the initial rounds of this ohio referendum, november seemed to be very far in the future. this is a very humbling reminder of just how fast the zero scope. all year's go. but election years and particular. set the stage for me. what's at stake folks in ohio on tuesday? >> well, it's the difference between being able to have have access to reproductive health care, abortion specifically, and if not, a higher conservative lawmakers have sought to end a six-week abortion bans at a time that's a -- what's at stake is the ability for doctors to practice

medicine and some of their patients, now at the risk of criminal punishment civil penalties, and losing their losses to practice. this was generated, initially, but who felt that there obligations to their patients were being interfered with but lawmakers who sought to impose draconian abortion restrictions. >> talk to me. let's imagine we get to tuesday. that this passes. what is the interplay between that band that is currently tied up in courts, and then this new vote? >> if the referendum passes, as we have seen pro abortion referendum pass, when they have been on the ballot since the supreme court overturned jobs, since the supreme court overturned roe v. wade in the dobbs decision in 2022 --

what we have seen is that and h state, where abortion has been on the ballot, it's been successful. whether we're talking about the state of kentucky, to keep it off, out of the constitution as a ban against abortion, or in michigan and california, states that would promote abortion be fundamental, a fundamental right in the states. and what this would mean, is that the state of ohio, it would become right ensconced in the states constitution. but you ask an important question. there has been so much misinformation about what this would be. so republican lawmakers are saying this would be -- up until the time -- this is not what is actually behind this referendum. but that's what's been so confusing for voters in that state. >> all of his referendums they always have an effort to make sure they are confusing. on purpose. i hear optimism in your voice, michelle goodwin, i also know all of my favorite guests

generally refused to prognosticate because we all know anything can happen. but as you look forward to tuesday, our you infect optimistic that this referendum is gonna pass? >> i am optimistic that it can pass, so long as there is clarity in the hands of voters that they understand what they want. because voters in the state of ohio, have said overwhelmingly they support reproductive rights and that right to have an abortion and there are republicans and the state who are really concerned about what they xe extreme governmental influence and infringement on fundamental rights in that state. so that's really hopeful. but i do say, i'm deeply concerned about what these referendum efforts could be in other states. we are theories tremendous voter suppression. and so we shouldn't lose sight of that. so -- at the same time, i think this is a very important way to reestablish abortion rights.

we have to be mindful that there is extreme gerrymandering and voter suppression in other states. mississippi comes to mind, some other southern states. we can draw event diagram and actually see the confederacy come through antiabortion legislation. >> i've got about a minute left. but i do want to ask you about a governor -- now pledging to make exceptions for rape and incest after previously been against all abortions, no exceptions. there does some to be some -- and again, advocates and the state will tell you that's an attempt to vote against development on tuesday. that's it, there does seem to be some increasing political awareness of republicans off the white voters feel about this issue. >> that's right. this is an untenable decision. right after the dobbs decision, a little girl flee the state of ohio to get to indiana because she couldn't terminate the

pregnancy there after being right picked by a friend of the family. and we see across the country, republican women, as well, and republican man deeply concerned about their children. how do you sit across the table -- and be willing to let a determine that child's future if she is raped. and i think that's really what's on the pellet here. >> stakes couldn't be higher. professor michele goodwin, it's always such an honor to speak to you reproductive about rights i'm also pleased we got to speak to you about the constitution and the 14th amendment. thank you. next, you will hear from a 97 year old holocaust survivor injury, what's happening in israel and what's opening old one's. g ol one's. we depend on each other a lot. she's the rock of the family. she's the person who holds everything together. ♪♪ it's a battle, you know i'm going to be there.

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